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On being a 3L with no job offer...from Harvard, no less

Published: Monday, March 1, 2010

Updated: Monday, March 1, 2010

“The greatest thing in this world is not so much where we are, but in which direction we are moving.” - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

“Gah! I’m choking on my own rage here!” - Moe Szyslak

I used to tell people that if they were ever lacking in self-confidence, they should apply for a tenure-track position in a philosophy department somewhere.  In return, you get what amounts to a mail-away self-esteem kit:  a letter praising your accomplishments, expressing astonishment at your charm and sophistication, and assuring you that you will be a great success wherever you ultimately gain employment. It’s extraordinarily fulfilling to hear your praises sung by people of such power and influence, in particular if you have no interest in taking a crucial step towards adulthood.   Only, again, you know – they don’t want to actually hire you.   It isn’t an experience I expected to repeat when I enrolled at Harvard Law School.

It’s been a little over five months since I found out I did not get an offer.  In those five months, certain topics have been rehearsed with wearying regularity.  Greater world, on behalf of the Harvard 3Ls with no offers, let me tell you the things we know:

1. It’s not our fault.  The economy changed unexpectedly, and things are tough all over.

2. In fact, as Harvard graduates, we have more opportunities.  Most people encountering employment challenges in this economy are in worse positions than we are.

3. The loss of Biglaw opportunities means we may find something else from which we derive immense satisfaction, and which we may never have otherwise pursued.

4. People with offers but no start dates are in a poor position as well.  Even those with deferrals of specified duration face the possibility of an unexpected deferral extension, or even an outright retraction of their offer.  In fact, with things as bad as they are, there’s really no guarantee that even those who manage to start work won’t find themselves laid off somewhat soon.  Biglaw right now simply doesn’t offer the degree of security it used to offer.  Everybody is in the same boat.

Joined to this knowledge is the understanding that it is, to be fair, rather difficult as a Harvard Law Student to abandon all self-awareness and immerse oneself in self-pity.  We remain conscious of the privileges we enjoy and the opportunities that exist for us even in our darkest moments.  That isn’t to say we who were no-offered have no room at all for despair.   But it feels impolite.  Those of us who had been hoping to become Biglaw associates have been dealt a real financial blow.  Must we admit what we were told to leave out of admissions essays and job interviews -- that we did come to law school with the hope of making money?  Must some of us admit that we hoped to make quite indecorous and undignified amounts of it?  Or are we to put on a brave face and tell the world that our goal all along was to achieve enlightenment and live on an ashram, and for that purpose and that purpose alone did we deprive ourselves of sleep and commit ourselves to learning the Hand formula and the rule against perpetuities?

But the rejection has greater bite than a reorienting of our student loan repayment schedule.  Not everyone who was a summer associate at a Biglaw firm had partner ambitions.  Whatever the reasons we may have had for spending the summer of 2009 as a summer associate, the summer ended by confronting us with our deepest fear.  Like many people praised for intelligence, talent, and discipline, Harvard Law Students are prone to the paranoia that we will one day be exposed as the frauds we suspect ourselves to be. 

Then-Dean Elena Kagan '86 alluded to these fears when we began our time at Harvard.  Addressing the Class of 2010, she told us that our anxieties were ill-founded, and that we had all long since established ourselves as deserving of our reputations and the opportunities they made possible.  So we studied, and we subcited, and we networked, and we keycited, and we summer associated.  And employers looked at our grades, and our journals, and our work product, and our work ethic, and said, “We don’t want you.”  We came from Harvard, and they were nonetheless unimpressed.  Something about us was so unappealing that it outweighed the appeal of having another Harvard graduate at the firm.

And so we wonder – what mark on our resume is so bad that it outweighs the Crimson H? 

We know the market has shrunk, we know the client base has retreated, we know that everyone is suffering, but we also know something else:  not every Harvard 3L got no-offered.  We did.  We didn’t measure up.  Maybe the hiring process was arbitrary.  Maybe we really had almost no control over some crucial factor. But most of us got here because we’ve been on a long journey, with increasing momentum.  And that momentum just evaporated.

I’m confident we will all land on our feet.  And I’m certain that the experience will be an opportunity for us to find strength we didn’t know we had.  I’ve met us.  And we are, to be frank, pretty amazing.  But the dream of Biglaw is hard to let go.  And after all, there isn’t necessarily any shame in wanting to make money.  Some of the wealthiest Americans have been its greatest philanthropists.  Bill Gates has retired from Microsoft and dedicated a large portion of his financial empire to addressing global warming and poverty.  And Tony Stark created his Iron Man suit to fight the spread of technological weaponry the sales of which, well, financed the creation of his Iron Man suit.  Fine, that one isn’t very persuasive.  Still, I don’t think we should be judged for wanting to be Biglaw associates with the money and power that would eventually have brought.  Maybe we just wanted to be Iron Man.  Think about it.

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33 comments

Deep Discount J.D. Recipient, Amazingly Employed
Wed Mar 31 2010 15:55
No matter what you think you have in life, you have to figure out what to do with it and how to make something of it - or it will make a fool out of you.
Anonymous
Thu Mar 11 2010 06:50
"The world doesn't owe you anything; it was here first." Mark Twain
Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 16:53
Excellent article, Estrada.
Anonymous
Sat Mar 6 2010 19:29
Here's a thought. If you really want to be a superhero, rather than becoming yet another leach on society like your privileged and self-entitled Wall Street brethren, try to create something of value.
Sid
Sat Mar 6 2010 03:16
Laughing at posters "logic."

Moneybag clients that Biglaw represents can just as easily be "scumbags" as anyone else. Your statement implies that people represented by Biglaw are NOT "scumbags." Or never are guilty of criminal acts. We all know otherwise. Even if Biglaw sometimes gets the BigBucks to get them out of trouble. This is all the more reason why those that don't have money still need access to legal representation.

Also with regards to Writer, I understand you have BigBills to pay, but maybe your debt is also to society (not that you should feel guilty about money) to use your skills to represent those even if the decent money isn't there at first. Crying with a silver spoon in your mouth (even if you did work hard) doesn't come across very well. Interesting perspective, nonetheless, and perhaps it is brave of you to show off your closed door fears to the larger public. So kudos to that. Best of Luck to all Job Seekers!

Anon
Sat Mar 6 2010 03:03
RE: " @the self-righteous public defender: get off your high horse. Many of the people you are defending are scumbags."

Laughing at your "logic."

Moneybag clients that Biglaw represents can just as easily be 'scumbags' as anyone else. You are implying people with money are always right and never commit criminal acts? Wow! Are you like a DC thug or something? ;)

Except I am disturbed by your logic.. because it negates everything America was built on and sounds like a cruel sinister world you live in.

Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 14:11
"@the self-righteous public defender: get off your high horse. Many of the people you are defending are scum"

Yes. And even "scum" have the right to due process and a fair trial. Read the Constitution. Moron.

Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 14:05
I'm a 2L who will be going into public service legal work - voluntarily. I sure hope that when I'm a 3L, I don't end up having to compete against jerks like you who get no-offered and then decide to stoop to actually helping people. It's really offensive to those of us who have just as much debt as you and are going into public service, to act as if being no-offered means your only remaining option is poverty. Why don't you spend some time actually helping another human being instead of whining about your lack of a grossly overpaid job doing doc review?

Sigh.

Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 11:52
You are earning $160K and whining just because you have a Harvard Law degree? You are not even a family practitioner!
OCU Law > HLS
Fri Mar 5 2010 10:11
Open your own office and stop crying.
André Angelantoni
Fri Mar 5 2010 09:48
There are much bigger forces at play right now than just a cyclical downturn in the economy. The world is awash in debt and you may have noticed that we are now paying $80 per barrel of oil. Why is this significant? We mistook an oil shock for just a financial crisis and thus aren't paying attention to the fundamentals of oil. The International Energy Agency and hundreds of oil analysts around the world are warning that we are due for the next oil shock within 12 to 36 months.
What does this astonishingly high debt combined with high energy prices mean for the job market? We will descend another step down the economic staircase and unemployment will go *up* before 2015, not down. In other words, the current economy is going to be with us for as far as the eye can see. Plan accordingly.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 08:46
What ego-maniacal crap.

How hilarious that the hiring process--at which you are not successful--is based on luck. Meanwhile the admissions process to Harvard--at which you were successful--is based on your so-called "long journey," a journey with increasing momentum, no less! (Maybe you were just gaining weight, rather than speed.)

But you're from Harvard! You're amazing as you say. Well let me tell you, I work in big law and we just fired a mid-level Harvard alum. You know why? 'Cause he was from Harvard and had to let everyone know that he was from Harvard and he went to Harvard and was above all this menial "associate-level" work. Then again, how could he possibly be expected to work for partners that...gasp...did not go to Harvard! What shame he felt when he had to work for people that did not even go to an Ivy League school. Oh the horror that washed across that young man's face as, weekly, he would explain his superiority to his co-workers.

Here's a clue, since you seem to be running short of them: big law is hurting all over. Good attorneys--people with families, with spouses and children and mortgages--are being unceremoniously fired across the country and here you sit, whining because your shot at being a glorified proof-reader at Skadden has been delayed a year or two.

Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 08:41
I hate to say this, but you need to get real. My guess is you probably didn't get an offer at a big firm in NY, CA, DC, etc. HELLO?!?!?! There are other PLACES you can go. No, you might not WANT to be in Maryland, South Carolina, Washington, Iowa, Arizona, New Mexico, Mississippi, or Louisiana, but I'll be DAMNED if you couldn't get a job in those places. And seriously, if you have NO job, how can you DEMAND or even EXPECT $160K? I don't care where you went to school--an associate COSTS MONEY. You're more likely to get a job paying $100K at a decent state firm than $160K at a big firm right now. How about you broaden your horizons and consider other options?

I say this as someone who ended up having to MOVE out of state to somewhere I'd never lived in order to work. If I had remained in my home state, I would have been JOBLESS. You make your own choices--so what's it gonna be? No job...or a less "prestigious" job that pays the bills? Get over yourself.

Record Editor
Thu Mar 4 2010 15:22
To the last commenter - sorry about the reverse direction of our comments. It wasn't a conscious choice; it's the only option our web hosts (collegepublisher) allow. Were we engineering students (or had the budget to hire engineering students) we'd hack our way around problems like this, but we're law students running a paper funded by advertising by law firms, and you can guess how that's going!
Anonymous
Thu Mar 4 2010 12:55
Glad to see the "Harvard Way" extends to posting comments in reverse chronological order. Backwards logic FOR THE WIN!

As for Anonymous3L, perhaps he as an elitist, a douche, or both, but I hear him 100%. If I went to Harvard (and not the toilet law school) I went to, you better be DAMN SURE that I would live my life expecting a seat at any table I rolled up to, a biglaw gig being the equivalent of a soup line (for Harvard grads). And failing to achieve even that, I would definitely become more bitter and resentful than lawyers naturally become. So I understand completely where this guy is coming from.

On the bright side, he should find solace in the fact that this insane economic turmoil has been pan-professional (unless you're a banker who rode out the storm - TARRRPPP!) In normal times, my friend, firms like Jones Day and their ilk would be shiving others for a piece of that "Crimson H." But these are extraordinary times.

So move on. Harvard on your resume isn't a guarantee to $160K and a nice little office/studio in NYC. But it'll still get you a seat at many other tables.

Doug Paul
Wed Mar 3 2010 23:04
The ironic thing is that if we stopped squabbling over everything and suing each others' pants off, and instead turned our efforts back to making great products for the world, we'd have a much stronger economy. Consider that the U.S. has probably an order of magnitude more lawyers than, say, Japan.
Anonymous
Wed Mar 3 2010 20:40
Funny post. I'm guessing the top 10% of Harvard's 3Ls pretty much got to pick where they wanted to go, unless they suffered from some egregious social disease (e.g., arrogance, halitosis). Having said that, you should realize that most BigLaw associates don't like BigLaw. In fact, most of them would tell you frankly that it sucks working there. I transferred into BigLaw as a 4th year associate the week my daughter was born and didn't see her or her mom for almost a year -- left before they were up, home after they were asleep, in the office all weekend. It's a silly system, made for the rats who want the cheese but are too stupid to figure out that it's a trap. As many people have said, there are plenty of ways to make more $$ than going to BigLaw, where you have to deal with the same jerks who told you they were majoring in Poly Sci in undergrad because they thought it would help their political career. Get a life, figure out a better way to use your law degree (I escaped BigLaw, BTW, quite happily). And Go Harvard!
Anonymous
Tue Mar 2 2010 20:52
It's articles like this that wind up making the rest of us at HLS the laughingstock of Above the Law. Please grow up, and never, ever refer to HLS as "the Crimson H." Some of us actually work hard instead of expecting that anything will be served on a silver platter. Letters like yours fuel the bad and suppress the good impressions HLS is able to make.
Anonymous
Tue Mar 2 2010 18:23
This is a very good, mostly honest piece. Bonus points for referencing Iron Man.

Not having a job sucks. Rejection sucks. And it doesn't suck any less when you have a Harvard Law degree, not while you're still out of a job and still rejected.

Being out of work with an HLS degree is sort of like being on a desert island without a single member of the opposite sex and having people call you to say "Oh, you must think because you're reasonably good-looking you deserve to have someone? I don't want to hear it."

Though really the author shouldn't have to justify why s/he would like a job that paid six figures. Of course, you'd like it. Who wouldn't? "Money is something you should feel guilty about wanting" is an academic idea perpetuated largely by those accustomed to having it.

Anonymous
Tue Mar 2 2010 18:00
The economy is terrible, but that Harvard degree definitely puts you in a better position than most students at lower ranking schools. You'll have to adjust your salary requirements downwards, but for most students at other institutions that was a reality they've had to live with all this time, with similar debt loads, so I'm sure you'll do fine as well.

I wouldn't obsess over it if I were you.







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